http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community » Tag: pal - Recent Posts en Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:47:47 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pal-and-ntsc-recording-simultaneously-and-converting#post-52283 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:02:10 +0000 akashnegi 52283@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>thanks XTR-91 for the link and I agree with that 24p is old here.. but i am required to do so by the shoot choreographer.. and the place of shoot is a mountainous area in BHUTAN where even taking a 2 wheeler is a struggle but somehow the eqipment has been dispatched and now only we have to get there and begin..</p> <p> </p> <p>The TVs in BHUTAN get PAL signal and are primitive 1950s TVs as compared to USA. still well under 17". So as you said, the TVs should convert automatically, I don't think that would  be possible given the technology.  And one more thing..</p> <p> </p> <p>If I shoot at anything and rely on automatic conversion  then wouldn't the video be faster or slower than usual?? </p> <p>so basically I will have to shoot @24fps 1080p and then use the original footage here.  but also release it there in BHUTAN. The main priority is USA so i will shoot in HD (BHUATN doesn't have HD). then convert or do something to make it PAL TV compatible.</p> <p>What can I do to achieve the expected results?</p> <p>thanks! </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pal-and-ntsc-recording-simultaneously-and-converting#post-52275 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:21:27 +0000 XTR-91 52275@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>PAL and NTSC are simple standards for video frame rates. NTSC shoots the standard 30 fps frame rate, while PAL is 25 fps. Most United States and European TV sets will most likely convert your video to a compatible frame rate before displaying.</p> <p> </p> <p>Shooting 24p is better thought of as a down conversion from the standard rates of 30 and 60 frames that camcorders can record in. 24p can be thought of as achieving a special motion affect (e.g. imitating an old time scene), but does not "enrich" the quality to make video look like film. Film has many advantage, such as light sensativity and shallow depths of field. People often get the idea that shooting 24p advances video toward looking like film. Film has its advantages, but proves its worth by the least amount in terms of frame rate. I'd take a look at this article first. My advice is not to shoot at 24 frames unless it's an essential rate that's demanded by your boss.</p> <p> </p> <p><a href="http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/2008/10/4083-opinion-24p-must-die/comment-page-1/">http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/2008/10/4083-opinion-24p-must-die/comment-page-1/</a></p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pal-and-ntsc-recording-simultaneously-and-converting#post-52263 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:02:40 +0000 akashnegi 52263@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>hi guys, I am a beginner in video. I had a question about PAL and NTSC formats..    I have a project that i will shoot in a region where PAL is used. However, I will need to bring the footage back home and then release it in USA in NTSC format. I will be doing 1080p 24p Native for "cine look".. </p> <p>Will I need to convert anything?? I believe NO, because I will be recording in 24fps, and that is different from PAL and NTSC. so it should not matter. However, I could be wrong and I have not considered anything except the fps.</p> <p> </p> <p>Please let me know how to resolve the issue, if it is actually an issue..  </p> <p>THANKS!</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/ppro-will-not-play-mpeg2-file-correctly#post-51069 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:57:27 +0000 david5566 51069@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Adobe Encore supports 32 subtitle tracks, that means you can add 32 different subtitle languages. Usually, there are two ways to add subtitle: 1) type every word into the "monitor" window, but first thing you should do is to create a new "subtitle track" in the " timeline", and then select " add subtitle" in the "monitor" window, drug the "current-time indicator" to the correct time point, finally type the subtitle words in the " monitor" window.<br /> The second way is more simple. You should create a script text, save as "UTF-8" format. Then right click the blank space of" timeline",select " import subtitles&gt;&gt;text script" to import the text. </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/ppro-will-not-play-mpeg2-file-correctly#post-50945 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:51:40 +0000 jono654321 50945@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I have an AVI file which properties are: 576x432, BitRate:168kpbs, Duration:100mins, 29.97fps, NTSC.</p> <p>When I try to import it into P.Pro 1.5 into an NTSC session, it will not import, probably because of the unusual frame size?? (dont know for sure).</p> <p>I am trying ultimatley to produce a PAL Mpeg2 file so I can later auther it in Encore. I use a program called ''ConvertXtoDVD3" which I can succesfully convert the original AVI file to a PAL Vob file. </p> <p>Then I use a program called 'MagicConverter' to convert the new Vob file to Mpeg2 with :720x576, 25fps. </p> <p>The resulting Mpeg2 file plays on windows media player, although now it says it's only 16minutes long.</p> <p>I then create a PAL session in P.Pro 1.5 and import the new Mpeg2 file. It imports fine, however it now says the duration is only 16 minutes even though it should be 100mins. Also if I try to edit it in any way, all the audio comes out of sync and the whole thing seems to play random parts of the video.</p> <p>Can anyone tell me why this new Mpeg2 file I've converted will not work in P.Pro and the timings and everything is off???? Thanks. </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/back-in-the-day-when-things-were-so-easy-multi-format-playing-cameras#post-48826 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:51:20 +0000 arda21 48826@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>thanks guys, thats exactly what I am talking about daryldrj</p> <p> </p> <p>that line of cameras had one recording format, but could playback other format recorded minidv tapes...</p> <p> </p> <p>This is what my plan is, I have about 30 ntsc recorded minidv tapes, and about 50 pal recorded minidv tapes thru the years starting from some video8 footage I transferred to minidv tape from late 80s.</p> <p>for transferring the NTSC footage minidv tapes, I will have to get a new ntsc minidv format, not HD format around $200 that I can do.</p> <p>and also buy a new HD format but this time PAL (moving back to Europe again, and I hear for independent movie shooting people still go with PAL even in the US market) </p> <p>Do you have any suggestions from new models in around $700 price range?</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/back-in-the-day-when-things-were-so-easy-multi-format-playing-cameras#post-48815 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:00:49 +0000 daryldrj 48815@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Ok I have an HDR-FX1 Sony camera it records NTSC but I can put a PAL recorded tape into the camera and it plays and I can download to the computer. I am not sure if this is what you are talking about or not. My Pal camera is a little handheld panasonic that i bought here in Ukraine my FX-1 I bought in the states and it will run both formats.</p> <p>Daryl</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/back-in-the-day-when-things-were-so-easy-multi-format-playing-cameras#post-48809 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:18:46 +0000 XTR-91 48809@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I'd check eBay for some old analog camcorders. If you're lucky, you will be able to find the exact model and buy one that runs well enough to play back a tape.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/back-in-the-day-when-things-were-so-easy-multi-format-playing-cameras#post-48808 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:08:15 +0000 EarlC 48808@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>While I am aware of the occasional deck that would playback or generate PAL or NTSC, I cannot specifically recall a camera model that did so out of the box. I am sure you are right, but I cannot recall one specifically. Sorry.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/back-in-the-day-when-things-were-so-easy-multi-format-playing-cameras#post-48804 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:19:06 +0000 arda21 48804@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I remember owning few Sony's when I had money thru my dad or myself,</p> <p> </p> <p>One was VX2000, It was NTSC format version, minidv tapes, but could play back both formats, just recorded on NTSC</p> <p>My dad also had I think TRV-600? which was PAL, and it was a decent minidv cam that could also play both formats</p> <p>Now I am working on a huge archived minidv tapes for my dad before he turns 65, old man wants me to organize all the tapes.</p> <p>I am looking for few cameras that I can buy, be it sony, that can playback most of these recordings.</p> <p>My very important question is, Does minidv camcorders today playback both formats even if records only 1?</p> <p>or even HDV (minidv ones) I know they can play standard format, but are they inclined to only one TV format?</p> <p> </p> <p>I would love to hear your suggestions, as these new generation sales-men on B+H Photo and video thinks such capabilities didnt exist with minidv camcorders, they were responding me on the phone like i am some kinda psycho... </p> <p>I would love to hear your suggestions as my time is running with my search and running out to make my fathers wish come true...</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/strange-format-question#post-38323 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:11:41 +0000 ralck 38323@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hey all,</p> <p>There isn't a great place to put this question, so it kind of fits here since I'll be editing the video.</p> <p>My parents have old VHS home movies and would like me to convert them to DVD for them.  Our VHS player is breaking (color goes in and out, and sometimes the audio drops out, and a cleaning tape didn't help).  I was looking into finding a new VHS player, and found one that plays back Pal, Secam, and NTSC 4.43 (from what I read, the non-broadcast NTSC standard).</p> <p>The device says it can playback NTSC 3.58 tapes, like home movies, but my guess is it may convert the signal to NTSC 4.43?  If it does, do you know if a standard NTSC device (I was planning on using my VX2000's analog to digital pass through) can accept a 4.43 signal correctly?</p> <p>If not, I suppose we'll just have to go to Walmart and pick up a normal VCR, but it would be cool to have a device that can playback Pal and Secam if I run across any of those tapes (I know, I'll need a converter to change a Pal or Secam signal to NTSC to playback on our TV).</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/nstc-to-pal-conversion-quality#post-35079 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:40:47 +0000 stevem 35079@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi Tom,</p> <p>Thanks a tonne for the quick reply.  Your post was helpful.  We are indeed shooting in DVCAM mode and also on bumped up RGB settings to maximise color use. I'm still curious though as to how much quality we'll lose if we transfer from NTSC to PAL.  I've been ringing around a few shops, and the price reflects the quality, but even the best algorithims must lose some quality.  Have you had any experience in that area?</p> <p>Because the producers are based in India, I think it's the extra hassle they have to go through to preview NTSC footage alongside previous PAL footage that's annoying to them.  I can understand that.  This film does have a tight budget so extra cogs in the works aren't appreciated - though the issue can be worked around. </p> <p>Thanks for the offer of the Sony PD150p, I'll certainly keep that in mind if that's alright as good second PAL cameras can be hard to come across.</p> <p>Thanks again for your help.</p> <p>Steve</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/nstc-to-pal-conversion-quality#post-35067 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:37:48 +0000 Tom Scratch 35067@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>1)  Oh yeah that debate does rage.  Sometime back (1-2 years) there were some very informative posts on this forum on this topic, but I don' know if they are searchable.  I've met a couple filmmakers who swore by the PAL version of the 150/170 due to (they said) superior quality when converted to film.</p> <p>2)  Really, to heck with the forums and the yackity yack; can't you do an a/b test?  It's video tape afterall, not film.  My favorite test is see for myself.</p> <p>3) If the ambitions are strictly for the TV screen and DVD media (i.e., not 12 by 18 foot theatrical screens) will anybody really be able to see a difference.  Are your producers just biased or do they actually have recent experience supporting their preference.</p> <p>4) I expect demand for an NTSB cam would be low in HK, due to demand/buyer's market.  If if were a new cam, the market would be tourists, but used...</p> <p>5) Although it might present another transfer issue, your PD 170 can shoot in DVCAM (50% faster tape speed).  There are gains in quality.  However, if others are shooting their PAL 170's in DVCAM format (as I assume they would be in order to max the quality), then this is not a decisive argument for your NTSB model.</p> <p>6) Once upon a time, I knew of a source for a PAL 150 in Phuket Thailand.  He (an Austrian) and his Thai family lived on the other side of the peninsula from where the tsunami hit; they survived but their community was devastated.  Haven't been in contact since about 6 months after the tsunami.  If you want me to check re his resources, send me a PM.</p> <p>Best of Luck!</p> <p>REGARDS ... TOM </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/nstc-to-pal-conversion-quality#post-35066 Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:06:13 +0000 stevem 35066@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi there,</p> <p>I'm new filmmaker, looking for a little advice.</p> <p>We're filming a three-part documentary in Asia over a long period of time and the first two parts have been filmed in PAL format where the cameras used had that standard.  In China I changed cameras to a NTSC model bought through ebay that was an absolutely fantastic deal.  I knew I was buying a different format, and friends and advisors helped convince me that it shouldn't be too much of a problem.</p> <p>However now I'm having second thoughts and the film's producers aren't happy.  I'm a new camerman/director myself and since we've only just begun the shoot in China, I don't want to continue down what might be a blind alley for a final edit.  After looking over other forums and the great NTSC v. PAL debate, it seems that PAL may offer better quality, but since I already now own an NTSC cam, I'm more concerned about the loss of quality in the transfer from NTSC back to PAL in the final edit.</p> <p>We're shooting on a solid Sony DSR-PD170 NTSC camera with a timeframe of two more weeks approx to solve this.  I see the following options available.</p> <p>1). Sell the NTSC Camera and buy a PAL version (thus minimising future damage)<br /> 2). Exchange for a PAL camera in Hong Kong<br /> 3). Restrict NTSC to PAL transfer time to the final edit (thus saving costs) and push ahead with what we have.</p> <p>Of the three, Option (1) may not be possible, if I can't sell the camera at the same rate I bought it, as my budget will be shot.  Option 2 is wishful thinking at best.  Option 3 seems the most sensible/logical, but will even the best transfer machines/algrothims result in a huge loss of quality?</p> <p>Eventually, I hope to sell this film to a TV network so quality is very important.  The film has not been pre-sold as yet.</p> <p>I would really appreciate any thoughts or expert opinions at this stage.  Option 3 seems sensible, but if the quality is a loser, then I don't want this documentary to be.</p> <p>Thanks.<br /> Steve</p>