http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ Forums Tag: sound en Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:55:32 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-39859 Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:47:22 +0000 AaronMurphy 39859@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Re: mics under matt</p> <p> This would work great for the slams but do NOTHING for the kicks and punches unfortunately.</p> <p>I was the Supervising Sound Mixer on the Tough Enough I (MTV) with WWF.  We would just use a long shotgun from the ropes (like the Sennheiser MKH70) or even a shorter mic like the MKH60 or the MKH416.  It needs to be pretty close to work if their is lots of music and announcing.  We also experimented with PZM (boundary) mics planted overhead.   One right in the middle of the ring worked pretty well but again bleed from the environment has a lot to do with your success with any solution.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-39728 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:11:56 +0000 brandon0409 39728@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Here is my suggestion.  I used to go to alot of wrestling matches.  I also used to watch alot of wrestling on TV.</p> <p>What you see and hear on TV is NOT what you see and hear in person. </p> <p>I have sat at ringside and could barely hear them being slammed on the matte.  but when I watched it back on TV it sounded like they added the audio in post.  which obviously didn't happen.</p> <p>I would call the local auditorium and find out how they mic the ring.  Many times they use the event staff at the auditoriums to set the shows up.  They would definitely know.</p> <p>My friend whom is a WWE farm-league wrestler (NWA wildside) said they put the mics under the ring then obviously on the cameras.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/mastering-the-sound#post-39018 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:44:29 +0000 AaronMurphy 39018@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Books are a difficult way to convey audio knowledge.  I do highly recommend that people study sound to look into the physics of sound and have a basic understanding of what microphones do from a design standpoint.</p> <p>In my seminars, I show people how to use the audio gear while using it!</p> <p>I would recommend that anyone new to sound, look up their local Location Sound Mixers (look for the local 'media index' which lists crew members, or contact the local film commission) and ask them for a walk through of gear basics.  Do a services swap with them for their efforts (maybe they need help painting a room!).</p> <p>Pros tend to be able to show you some short cuts and save you a lot of time.  Let me know if I can help with any audio related questions.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38349 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:09:31 +0000 P63 38349@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>"Alex, I'll take 'Rhymes with <strong>Noobies</strong> for $200'"</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38298 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:18:34 +0000 Aspyrider 38298@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Dangit, there not "Thingies, their "Boobies"! Get it right! LOL</p> <p> LOL</p> <p>L.</p> <p>:-D</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38290 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:23:47 +0000 rebe 38290@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I am interested in all opinions so thanks for sharing yours. </p> <p>I am having lots of fun with these shorts!  I have thought about interviewing people, but I am not sure what all the legalities may be.  I am most comfortable and most myself interviewing so I appreciate the suggestion.</p> <p>PS-Thanks for watching more than 15 seconds! </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38279 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:20:58 +0000 birdcat 38279@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Rebe -</p> <p>Maybe invest in a green screen and key in a better background (like a virtual set) using differing shots (wide to tight).</p> <p>As others have said, a better mic would be great - There's too much echo - even a lav would be better.</p> <p>As for social commentary, I think there's way too many folks telling me what they think already - but then there's a huge market now for stuff like that, and while demand may be large, so is supply.</p> <p>Just MHO.</p> <p>PS - I watched your thingies for more than 15 seconds...</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38274 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:47:39 +0000 Aspyrider 38274@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>LOL</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38270 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:14:29 +0000 D0n 38270@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> You Americans!</p> <p>Don't you know that the "Right to bear arms" was a typo?</p> <p>Graham Bell Proposed it as a snub to the Puritans! "The right to BARE arms" meant women could wear short sleeves!  </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38267 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:32:32 +0000 drmfrc 38267@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Rebe, first, you should invest in a digital prosumer camera - preferrable one with the ability to input a microphone.  I have a friend who bought one for less than 200 bucks.  I wouldn't go HD or anything; not for what you do.  Next, I would definitely create some type of "set".  Hell, maybe you can even do something outside.  Perhaps you can get interviews with people on the street?</p> <p> It looks like you're having a lot of fun.  Don't give up.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38237 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:06:37 +0000 rebe 38237@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Wow you watched for 45 seconds...sounds like a fan!  I assumed most stop watching after 15 secs of looking at my "thingies".  For one of my first tries out that's not bad.</p> <p>BTW I prefer the term "jugs" it is much classier;-)</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38217 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:41:40 +0000 P63 38217@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <blockquote> <p>I watched about 45 seconds. If it vacuumed I wouldn't even respond, but it didn't, so here's constructive commentary:</p> <p>1. Audio. Camera mic makes voice sound like it's in a tin can. At least equalize with your video editor.<br /> 2. Choreography: Standing still is sooo different than something that's interesting. God gave you feet, use them.<br /> 3. Laugh Track: didn't laugh track's die decades ago?<br /> 4. Shot composition: One inch above your head, three bellow your thingies. It's clear what the shot was meant to capture, the question is "at this point in your career, do you want to be taken seriously?" Review the composition of the Amy Walker videos.<br /> 5. Content: Is it socially relevant? Who cares about the dumbass celebrities? There are wars going on, people starving to death, political machines diminishing our democracy, and morons who think "the individual's right to bear arms" does NOT mean an individual has a right to bear arms... and you can't find any comedy in that???? George Carlin made social jokes and is remembered. I think Don Rickles used to make jokes about celebrities. Is he still alive?</p> <p>Hope this helps. BTW, STFU noob! (joke)</p> </blockquote> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/newbie-need-lots-of-advice#post-38125 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:52:59 +0000 rebe 38125@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I would like to do humorous commentary professionally.  I have been doing a 2 minute short for the last few weeks as practice.</p> <p>I am filming on my digital still camera which is why the quality isn't good.  I need to know what can be improved.  Any feedback is appreciated.</p> <p><a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=37818235">http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=37818235</a></p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/improving-audio-capture#post-36855 Mon, 26 May 2008 13:52:43 +0000 BarefootMedia 36855@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Let's get the easy stuff out of the way.  If you display your audio as waveform on the timeline, you can visually synch the external digital audio to your video's audio signal.  I do this all the time.  But one caveat, try to keep a mic close to your external DR.  I've had a couple of situations where the close in camera was getting the sound a couple of frames sooner than my wide cover shot.  But there was some serious distance involved.</p> <p>I've been investigating using a DR to record a good stereo soundtrack.  The real problems with an external DR recording are pretty obvious.  You need to have good mics on the unit or be able to plug good mics into it.  Most mics made for video are optimized for recording voices.  To get good music reproduction, you need mics designed to record music.  Some DR's are intended to record speeches, take verbal notes and the like.  The units designed for music recording have mics designed for full frequency pick-up.  Now the problem is that music mics are significantly more expensive.  So like camcorders, the less expensive units have mics designed for voice recording.  So the way to improve the brightness &amp; bass in a recording is to get a better mic.  The folks recommending pulling sound from the soundboard (or mixer) will get some improvement in frequency response.  Unfortunately, unless you're in a sound studio, major parts of the sound are not mixed in.  Rock bands (not in a stadium) do not mic the drums.  They are already plenty loud, unless you're just recording the mixer out.  So even if you use the mixer out, you still won't be getting an accurate recording of the music.  This is the case with most venues for various elements of the mix.  They mix the audio to sound good in the space they are in, not what sounds good over their headphones.  So if you want accurate sound, you have to mic the room.  And you have to mic it with quality mics designed for music.</p> <p>So where does this leave us?  The DR can record great audio but only with great mics.  If you had the great mics to start with, you could be recording great sound on the camcorder.  But leaving the mic quality issue aside, you're hoping to improve your sound with the very sensible plan of getting closer to the source.  The inherent problem is that the unexpected always seems to happen.  Recording your master sound with no one or no way to monitor it will someday lead to that audio going south.  Maybe a baby or a heckler is by one of the mics.  Maybe the record button got double touched and never actually started.  Maybe the battery you thought was new died unexpectedly.  Maybe the DR is too close to a musician's stage monitor and your recording is dominated by one voice.  Most of these problems can be prevented by having a person monitor the entire show through closed headphones.</p> <p>Here's what I planning.  I'll get a fairly inexpensive DR with line/mic inputs &amp; a headphone jack.  I'll attach two mics placed for best stereo reproduction to the DR and record away, hopefully with a friend monitoring the recording.  Then I'll assume that audio will be useless and do something similar to the shotgun on the camera &amp; a wireless on near the stage.  I selected a wireless mic system that doesn't have the mic hardwired to transmitter.  I can then plug in my third music quality mic and I monitor my recording at the camcorder.  If things went well, I now have a stereo recording from near the front, and two mono recordings of ambient sound at both ends of the venue.  I can mix these four audio lines to make one excellent recording.  And if there were problems, I should still have reasonable audio with just my two mono sources.</p> <p>i hope this helps with your question.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/improving-audio-capture#post-36847 Mon, 26 May 2008 10:55:02 +0000 donjonasson 36847@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>The wireless near the performers has definitly been an improvment. Has anyone had experience with some of the better quality Digital Recorders ($200-400 range), are they a significant improvment over micing the camera?? What are the issues and techniques with syncing with the video in postproduction??</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/mastering-the-sound#post-36843 Mon, 26 May 2008 09:38:19 +0000 anilintel 36843@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>this book is a boon to all of us who want to understanding the techink of producing high quality sounds</p> <p>afterall all begins from the books,isnt it</p> <p><a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/117627743/The_Technology_of_Video_and_Audio_Streaming__Second_Edition.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://rapidshare.com/files/117627743/The_Technology_of_Video_and_Audio_Streaming__Second_Edition.pdf</a></p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/improving-audio-capture#post-36679 Wed, 21 May 2008 14:14:45 +0000 Johnboy 36679@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>i would put a wireless mic or wired mic close to the performers and go with that.  IF there is an audio board being utilized for any purpose, or if the stage has mics already and is fed to that audio board, take a feed from that.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/improving-audio-capture#post-36655 Tue, 20 May 2008 19:15:33 +0000 film814 36655@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>If the concert is being recorded, see if you can get feeds out of the audio guys' mixer.  This isn't always a possibility, but if it is, make sure to check your levels really well because the lines out of a mixer are quite often very loud.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/improving-audio-capture#post-36654 Tue, 20 May 2008 17:26:33 +0000 donjonasson 36654@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I occasionally find myself videoing a concert on my Sony HVR-z1u. I usually shoot from the back of the room and have played with plugging a shotgun mic into one channel and placing a wireless lavalier mic near the performers and plugged into the other channel. This has been a big improvement over on-camera mic of course, but I would like to further improve the quality. I have considered replacing the lavalier with a handheld wireless. I am using a Sennheiser EK - SK 100 wireless set. I am also looking at digital recorders but am concerned about syncing audio and video.</p> <p>Would the Sennheiser SKM 100 handheld be better? How much improvement would I get with a DR and at what price level would I need to look at to get a significant improvement? What are the syncing problems likely to be when editing with Final Cut Suite? Any other suggestions???</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-36460 Mon, 12 May 2008 16:56:15 +0000 LeftTurnLarry 36460@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> I think I am just going to record the commentary afterwards.  Thanks for the input guys.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-36445 Mon, 12 May 2008 10:40:14 +0000 Johnboy 36445@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>good shotguns on the corner posts, you could mic the commentators and record them on a digital recorder, but you may face sync problems over long durations.</p> <p>John</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-36439 Mon, 12 May 2008 05:52:25 +0000 film814 36439@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I've never miked a boxing ring before, but a couple of good directional shotgun mics should work fine.  One on each side, or one on each corner, or something like should pick all the action up fine.  You might want to put one up higher, and the other closer to the floor of the ring, to pick up the falls, etc.</p> <p>Jeremy</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-36422 Sun, 11 May 2008 13:29:52 +0000 LeftTurnLarry 36422@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Anyone?</p> <p> </p> <p>I was thinking about putting a wireless shotgun mic on the corner of the ring pointing in.  Any thoughts? </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-mic-a-boxing-ring-for-sound#post-36392 Fri, 09 May 2008 16:49:10 +0000 LeftTurnLarry 36392@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> What is the best way to mic a boxing ring.  You need to be able to hear the slams, punches, and kicks.  What type of mic would work best and in what location?</p> <p> </p> <p>Also, if you are going to have live commentators (but the production is not live) what is the best way to record them so that you can put it over the video track later?  What should I use to record their audio into?</p> <p> </p> <p>Thanks! </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/parabolic-mics-question#post-36283 Sat, 03 May 2008 08:54:13 +0000 n1jdu 36283@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Either they are wearing mics and have a recorder in their pocket .. or the audio was added later in post. </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/surround-sound#post-36154 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:05:54 +0000 yboc2000 36154@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I was wondering on how would I do surround sound in this program, do I need like a specific camera for this, or can I just use any ordinary one, I was thinking about helping my friends with a music video but I have no clue on how surround sound works, anyone got tips or a place I could go to learn how surround sound works in Premiere? thanks</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/export-sound-to-mini-dv-problems-urgent#post-35678 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:04:52 +0000 chuckengels 35678@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi RealProd,</p> <p>What software are you using?  The multi channel audio is not available in all programs, like Premiere Elements.</p> <p>Exporting to Mini DV Tape isn't a problem as long as you have a camera to connect and record with.</p> <p>I would also recommend posting your question at <a href="http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/" rel="nofollow">http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/</a> there are many professional TV, Cable and Film people there that enjoy answering questions, usually within 1 hour :)</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/export-sound-to-mini-dv-problems-urgent#post-35670 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:35:28 +0000 RealProd 35670@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>hi everybody</p> <p>its the first time i try to get help in a forum so i dont know how this realy works, and as you can read my english is not very good!</p> <p>i am writing from poland and i have a huge problem, and my deadline finish tomorow.</p> <p> i have a reportage for television that should go on air tomorow night and my problem, maiby is a piece of cake for you but for me is giving me head hakes since yesterday.</p> <p>i have 3 audio tracks, in one i have my main character conversation on the second i have the reader's voice and on the third i have music.</p> <p>the people from tv tell me that they nead all that separated, for example converation and reader on one chanell and music on the second chanell , and i need to record it on mini DV , how can i do it? how can i separate the chanells?</p> <p>Can someone help me please i am desperate!!!!!!!!</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/sony-fx1e-sound-query#post-35665 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:02:32 +0000 cdanddvdpublisher 35665@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>It sounds like there is something wrong with your camera speaker. I wouldn't worry about it too much if the sound is fine in your computer.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/sony-fx1e-sound-query#post-35457 Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:55:06 +0000 fairpaul 35457@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I am using a Sony HDR-FX1E Camcorder with external mic. My question is - why is that when I play back on the camera VCR there is either no sound or the sound is broken. But when I down load to my computer for editing the sound is perfect??? I don't have this problem when I use the on-board mic. <p>I am puzzled<img src="http://www.videoforums.co.uk/images/smilies/confused.gif" /> </p>