http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Forums » Topic: AVCHD - Full HD - DVD - Help! en Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:12:56 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-51994 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:48:42 +0000 galenfott 51994@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I'm on the Mac, and am trying to create AVCHD discs in Toast using .iso images from Encore. I can successfully use Toast to create an AVCHD disc that plays 1920x1080 from a standard DVD. I can also create a standard DVD .iso in Encore and burn that to a playable standard DVD using Toast. But I can't create a "Blu-ray" .iso in Encore, and use Toast to burn that to a playable AVCHD disc.</p> <p>Mike Aiken seems to be doing essentially this, albeit not with Toast. Is there some "trick" or step to it? Is the footage already AVCHD? Mine isn't, and I've wondered if that's the problem. I can kind of see why it WOULDN'T work; Encore doesn't create a Blu-ray image to be AVCHD-compatible, so I'd think the .iso files wouldn't translate. Yet apparently it is possible.</p> <p>Thanks for any insight anyone can provide.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-51384 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:52:49 +0000 MikeAiken 51384@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> I do it all the time - I edit in Premiere Pro then create a bluray dvd in Encore, burn that to an iso image and then burn that image to a 29-cent standard 4.7 dvd with Alcohol or Nero.  Full 1920 x 1080 on a bluray player and looks as good as the original footage.  Sure you're limited to about 15 to 20 minutes on a single layer disk, but for music videos and stage performances after editing that's about all I usually need.  I'll probably buy a BD burner in the future when the prices of blanks come way down but I really don't see me needing one even then.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41838 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:55:59 +0000 Proimages 41838@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> I made the Blu Ray disc on a three year old computer and standard DVD burner on a $0.40 DVD-R, see the post above.  It plays at 1080p, you are limited to about 15 minutes depending on Bit rate.  Standard DVD must be 18Mbpsor less.  You must have a Blu Ray player for it to work.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41837 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:50:54 +0000 D0n 41837@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> I don't know. the cost of burners, cost of discs. compatibility issues...</p> <p>I'm still buying, and giving clients thier media on appletv's...... </p> <p>looks great, easy, and works. </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41836 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:44:02 +0000 Proimages 41836@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Vegas 8.0 and DVD Architect 5.0 can do it.  In Vegas &gt; Tools &gt; Burn Disc &gt; Blu Ray</p> <p>Keep it at defaults  you need to choose DVD 4.7GB and let it run.  The DVD will be AVCHD-DVDR and will play in Blu Ray players.  You are limited to 4.7GB</p> <p>DVDA 5.0 is a free upgrade to 4.5</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41752 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:17:22 +0000 GARoss 41752@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>All's cool, Birdcat!</p> <p>The biggest reason is no additional investment is needed, assuming you own a DVD burner, of coarse. And, 4.7Gbs are less than a $1 a piece @ 16x.</p> <p>True, some BD burners are now in the mid $100s; the bad news is the media is $5-10 each @ 2x. This is similar to DVDs about 7-8 years ago &amp; the prices will go down.</p> <p>Look, few people need BD's 50Gb capacity. True, BD can use higher bitrates but only Pro Camcorders can take advantage of that. So, those who have AVCHD camcorders are recording @ 13-17Mbps &amp; that equals 70-75 minutes of AVCHD content on a D/L DVD @ 14Mbps bitrate, or nearly the same quality as was recorded. That's not bad for little if any investment.</p> <p>HTH</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41739 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:27:45 +0000 birdcat 41739@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi Don -</p> <p>Sorry if I wasn't clear - The article claimed about an hour for a dual layer (9GB) dvd.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41732 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:28:22 +0000 D0n 41732@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> to clear up any confusion:</p> <p>Roxio software can burn high def video to a dvd, for playback on a blueray player with one caveat:</p> <p>the sl dvd disc will only hold approx 4 gigs of data, period, one hours worth of high def footage WILL NOT FIT, maybe 20 mins worth , and the disc may not play in all players.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41731 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:08:10 +0000 birdcat 41731@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I admit I was wrong here - The question I still have is if you have a BD player and HDTV, why would you not want a BD burner?  Do these high definition on regular DVD's look as good as BD?  If so, the only drawback I see is the time (the article quoted above claims one hour on a 9GB DL DVD).  Since BD is currently 25GB (with 50 out there now), I would think there would be a difference.</p> <p>Has anyone compared the HD on standard DVD to BluRay?</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41722 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:43:05 +0000 GARoss 41722@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Birdcat's quotes,<em>"Simply put, you cannot burn 1920 X 1080 to regular DVD."</em> Yes, you can! <em>"You will not be able to burn anything more than 720 X 480 (SD for DVD) onto a standard video DVD."</em>Sorry, not true. AVCHD DVD's are HD &amp; compatible on some Blu-ray players, but not all. BDMV is another style of DVD that full HD can be recorded on DVD media &amp; playable in full HD on some Blu-ray players. Naturally, the disc will not play on standard DVD players.My PC only has a DVD burner &amp; I was able to burn full 1920x1080 HD as a AVCHD DVD project (edited &amp; rendered with Vegas 8 @ 29.97 frames interlaced or 24P as well) using Nero Vision that played perfectly on my Panasonic DMP-BD30K Blu-ray player in full HD, no up conversion as you suggest. Nero renders AVCHD DVD’s @ 14Mbps only &amp; D/L DVD’s can hold 70-75 minutes of AVCHD video. It does support separate audio/video streams. The software is very DVD-like as it supports 1st play video to main menu, chapter pages &amp; highlited buttons. I'm also aware that several other software makers support this format as well including ArcSoft TotalMedia Extreme.My editing software is Sony Vegas 8 Pro &amp; I have also tried this with Sony DVD A5, but, it only supports BDMV which is incompatible with my player. BDMV DVD’s are better in the since higher bitrates can be used + wider audio support at the cost of shorted video time. I understand BDMV DVD’s are compatible with some Blu-ray players, being its Sony software probably Sony Blu-ray players, but I can't state that as fact! Their players also support BDAV, which as I understand it, is AVCHD camcorder video recorded in full HD on a DVD without 1st play &amp; menus.The point is why buy a Blu-ray burner when you can do this with your DVD burner? The highest bitrate for a pro AVCHD camcorder is 25Mbps, most are consumer AVCHD camcorders are 13-17Mbps. That's perfect for AVCHD. BDMV supports up to 40Mbps so we're talking HD broadcast cameras &amp; for that you'd need a BD burner to maintain quality! </p> <p>HTH</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41713 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:00:22 +0000 birdcat 41713@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Interesting - I read the article.  Only problem is it still requires a BluRay player and HDTV.</p> <blockquote> <p><em>With Toast 9 and its High-Def/Blu-ray Disc Plug-in, you can burn your HD camcorder footage onto regular DVD media, in the same format as Blu-ray video, using the DVD burner you already have. These special high-definition DVDs can be played in most Blu-ray set-top players, including the Sony PlayStation 3, and you can fit up to an hour of HD video onto a dual-layer DVD. </em></p> </blockquote> <p>Not a bad deal but if I had the DVD player and HDTV, I'd be da**ed sure I'd also have a BD burner - They are getting cheaper each day (newegg.com has one for under $200) - The only problem right now is the price of the blanks and they should be down to a couple of buck each (in quantity) within a couple of years if not sooner. </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41710 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:20:36 +0000 jrcromwell 41710@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>No, I was not referring to upconverting. Roxio Toast 9 claims to provides a way (warning: long URL):</p> <p><a href="http://mymoments.roxio.com/enu/articles/mac/burning_&amp;_copy,video/2008/09/burning_highdef_dvds__bluray_discs_with_toast_9.html " rel="nofollow">http://mymoments.roxio.com/enu/articles/mac/burning_&amp;_copy,video/2008/09/burning_highdef_dvds__bluray_discs_with_toast_9.html </a></p> <p> </p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41550 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:11:21 +0000 birdcat 41550@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>There are many DVD (not only BluRay) players that will "upconvert" a standard (4.7 or 9GB disc) to play in a simulated HD on HD televisions.  They are not really playing in full HD.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41548 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:08:44 +0000 jrcromwell 41548@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <blockquote><p>Simply put, you cannot burn 1920 X 1080 to regular DVD - To do that you need a BluRay Disc burner or (shudder) HD/DVD burner.  DVD's are only capable of playing at 720 X 480 @ 29.97 FPS (in the US at least - NTSC). You can however keep the aspect ratio and burn it as a NTSC widescreen (16:9) DVD -Just select this as your output from Vegas when rendering and burn. EDIT - Many standard DVD players are capable of upconverting to HD now.</p></blockquote> <p>Something seems amiss here, perhaps it is the term "regular DVD."  Do you mean using the "DVD format" or the "4.7 Gb disk" ?  Based on my web research (not my experience), it appears that AVCHD video can be written to a 4.7 Gb disk using programs like Roxio Toast 9, and that these "AVCHD disks" can be played in hi-def on some players like the PSP3.  It is being widely touted as a cheaper process than burning to expensive blu-ray disks using expensive blu-ray burners (assuming you already have a Sony PSP3).    ???</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41510 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:36:40 +0000 sarkyfooker 41510@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>No problem,experiences are made to be shared :).I can only tell you the PAL side of the story though...</p> <p>If it can help I got my one from Adorama for 1049 $ it was delivered to the other side of the Atlantic 7 days after the order.There´s no price for the NTSC model on their website though.I would upgrade to something more if it´s a desktop.I´ll do some research but I think that a Quad core with 4 GB Ram should handle the AVCHD files quite well.I´ll let you know if I find out anything worth sharing.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41485 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:30:33 +0000 bizzy 41485@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>thanks sarky...we are kind of on the same line. I already have vegas pro 8, and a core 2 duo desktop. I need to up the RAM from 1 to 2 GB though. My main issue here is PAL camcorders are a little bit costly (upto 300 dollars more) compared to the NTSC models. Thats why I have to be sure whether theres much of a difference.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41476 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:24:32 +0000 sarkyfooker 41476@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> That would be PAL. MAKE SURE that you´ve got software that can handle the .M2ts files.Obviously Sony Vegas does,as well as Premiere CS4,to my knowledge all the others still don´t. You also need a powerful machine,I´m using a core 2 duo with 2GHZ and 2 GB ram,and it struggles quite a bit,but it´s a laptop.Still loving the camera,just shot a small promo video for a gym with it.It´s not outstanding in low light...</p> <p>Hope I´ve been of some help,now go out and buy it !!!</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41464 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:29:45 +0000 bizzy 41464@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>hi sarkyfooker,which one records in 720x576 mode,NTSC or PAL?</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41441 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:25:24 +0000 sarkyfooker 41441@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Hi Bizzy,</p> <p>I just went through the same questions myself...I´ve bought an SR11 PAL system,and after some testing,solved the problem as described above by birdcat,the only difference is that it would be 720x576 @25 Fps, as far as I understand that´s the difference between PAL and NTSC.Anyway I would strongly reccomend the camera,I bought it for underwater use mainly,and I´m amazed at the definition,plus many controls can be assigned to a sort of custombuttom/wheel and it allows for some manual control.The high speed slow motion feature is also quite impressive.A buy I don´t regret at all...good luck!</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41289 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:32:47 +0000 birdcat 41289@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Sorry Bizzy - Maybe someone else can step in here - I don't know how the PAL version of the SR11 would handle non-HD footage.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41265 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:01:50 +0000 bizzy 41265@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Could i face problems in buying HDR S11 instead of HDR S11e which has PAL as the analog video format? I am not in the US where NTSC is the standard but having seen a conversion feature in some softwares,is it a gud idea to go for HDR S11?</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41179 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:07:19 +0000 birdcat 41179@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <blockquote> <p>Am new here and want to buy the Sony HDR S11 coz of its full HD capabilities. (hope am right on that). birdcat,does that mean I wont be able to burn on regular DVD coz thats what I intend to use?</p> </blockquote> <p>You will not be able to burn anything more than 720 X 480 (SD for DVD) onto a standard video DVD - You could always put a HD video on a data DVD and play it on a computer (but remember you are limited by size 4.7 GB or 9 GB). If you want a true high def video disc, you have two options currently - BluRay or HD DVD (which is obsolete now but I'm sure you can still get burners &amp; players but why would you want to?).</p> <p>However, there is nothing to stop you from burning 16:9 SD standard DVD's from any source you'd like, including full HD (1920 X 1080).  I do this all the time - my NLE (Vegas Pro 8) converts it on the fly and I burn a standard def DVD from HD source just like I do for SD source.</p> <p>Hope this answers your question.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-41178 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:06:30 +0000 bizzy 41178@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Am new here and want to buy the Sony HDR S11 coz of its full HD capabilities. (hope am right on that). birdcat,does that mean I wont be able to burn on regular DVD coz thats what I intend to use?</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-39169 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:36:29 +0000 birdcat 39169@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Simply put, you cannot burn 1920 X 1080 to regular DVD - To do that you need a BluRay Disc burner or (shudder) HD/DVD burner.  DVD's are only capable of playing at 720 X 480 @ 29.97 FPS (in the US at least - NTSC).</p> <p>You can however keep the aspect ratio and burn it as a NTSC widescreen (16:9) DVD -Just select this as your output from Vegas when rendering and burn.</p> <p>EDIT - Many standard DVD players are capable of upconverting to HD now.</p> http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/avchd-full-hd-dvd-help#post-39164 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:46:44 +0000 NoWire360 39164@http://videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hello, Any Vegas expert out there that can help me out. All I want is to burn my edited (simple title, transition) AVCHD files to a regular DVD disc and keep the 1920x1080 resolution.</p> <p>I've been pulling my hair tying to figure this out. DVD Architect doesn't seem to support HD resolution, as it always wants to resample my video to DVD resolution. The closest thing I came to a solution is to click "make movie" &gt;"Burn it to a DVD, Blu-ray disc, or CD. &gt; "Blu-ray disc". I tried both video format, and the program was able to burn without errors. While I can play the DVD on my PC (stutter and all), my PS3 doesn't seem to see it as a "movie" disc, but instead a DATA disc.</p> <p>That said, it wont play the disc automatically. I can go through the folder, and into to the "Stream" folder. I can click the file there, and it will play, but that doesn't seem right. Oh, and there are only two choice for burn speed (1.0x, and 2.0x) instead of the actual 24.0x speed. Anyway, please advise. I was using pinnacle studio 12 prior to Vegas, and I believe Pinnacle can burn full HD content on a regular DVD without a problem. If only Pinnacle can handle AVCHD files without begging for mercy (even on my Quad system).</p> <p>I'm really liking Vegas, and will probably switch, but I'm getting frustrated about this particular issue. I'm pretty sure there's a away (short of getting the PRO version, which I really don't need), someone just need to point me in the right direction.</p> <p>Thank you in advance.</p> <p> FYI:</p> <p> Camera = Canon HF10</p>