FCP vs Premiere

1. JoeLouw
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   I'm just starting off with my video career, As a professional photographer (use to Adobe Photoshop), I'm now looking into finding the best Video editing software. I read a few forums regarding this issue of FCP vs Premiere (one of them will be my choice) and it sounds it's more a PC vs Mac issue.What I could figure was that both FCP & Premiere are great, with the FCP exception working great on Mac (as it's ONLY for Mac).

   I work on PC currently but is due for a major upgrade soon, my decision has been made it will be a Mac this time around, as all my friends tell my I could have just as well bought a Mac every time I build up my PC, because my PC's I've build up are so huge and expensive, and I use it only and ONLY for editing (not even e-mail & internet, for that I still have a separate PC) you might as well use Mac. So I’m going that route soon by buying the latest, biggest iMac. My question is I need to make a decision on an editing software package, FCP or Premiere. As I’ve hear great things from both, and also Premiere is NOW ready for Mac, I've not found anything comparing FCP & Premiere on the same platform (Mac) also you hear of big company’s using FCP on Mac AND/OR Avit on PC, so where is Premiere?

   The thing is I need to buy the software and also get training on it, so I would like to make the right choice from the start and not waste any money as we are talking big bucks. 

   Thanks in advance for everyone’s help coming my way.

   Joe Louw

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2. robgrauert
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    With a Mac as your primary computer for editing, you can still go on the internet, even though you stated you don't do that with your PC. But you could if you wanted too. You won't get viruses cause no one makes viruses for Macs. 

    

    But to answer your question, FCP and Premiere are very similar. It kind of comes down to preference, and if you don't have one then I'd suggest FCP because that's what I've been using for years and have had no problems with. 

    That doesn't really answer your question about the differences, but that's because they're very similar to begin with.  

   Robert J. Grauert, Jr
   http://www.robgrauert.com

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3. robgrauert
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   Oh yea, and to answer your question about where's premiere in the industry...

   Avid and FCP are the major editing programs in the industry, at least from what I see. Premiere is very popular among those who don't use those 2 programs. But if you work for a major company, there's a good chance they are using Avid or FCP. And FCP is becoming more and more popular due to it's price and ease of use. 

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4. Dallas
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   Premiere and FCP where designed by the exact same people, so hey are going to be very similar. Wile I personaly have gone with FCP, you may want to look at the peripherals of the packages you are considering (ie. the bundled software that comes with) and see which best meats your needs.

    

    

   P.S. Go with FC! 

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5. ralck
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    I don't know if FCP has a trial, but I believe Adobe gives a trial of their software, so you can always download that to see if you like it before buying.  The best thing would be to try both programs before buying.  If there's no trial of FCP maybe a Mac store might let you play around with it in-store for a while to test it out?

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6. robgrauert
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   Apple doesn't offer a trial program. Instead the offer Final Cut Express for way cheaper than the bundle. 

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7. jerronsmith
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   AVID is industry standard (television and film) for high end production. Every major studio, network, and production company is probably using it right now to cut something. Final Cut Pro has been growing in popularity among the indy film set, the smaller production companies and mid-range to low end cable. I was working on After Effects with a couple of people today from ABC Family who were telling me they cut everything on FCP. Premiere Pro seems to be popular with users of other Adobe software and seems to me to be growing in popularity among independent producers and in the government/industrial sector.   I always suggest to my students that they learn two editing programs to consider themselves employable. If you want to work at the high or mid range of productions learn AVID and FCP. If you have no intention working in that arena, then you have much greater choice.

   If it is a choice between FCP and Premiere Pro on the Mac operating system the choice might be decided not by the editing applications themselves but instead by the contents of the software bundled with it. For several years now software manufacturers have been moving away from selling individual programs and towards selling software bundles.

   Final Cut Studio:

   Final Cut Pro 6: for video and film editing
   Motion 3: for graphics and animation in 3D
   Soundtrack Pro 2: for professional audio post-production
   Color: for professional color grading and finishing
   Compressor 3 and DVD Studio Pro 4: for digital delivery virtually anywhere — a disc, the web, Apple TV, iPod, or cell phone

   Adobe Production Premium:
   After Effects CS3 Professional (Motion graphics and Compositing)
   Adobe Premiere Pro CS3
   Photoshop CS3 Extended (Pixel based image creation and editing)
   Flash CS3 Professional (Web content delivery)
   Illustrator CS3 (Vector graphic creation)
   Soundbooth CS3 (Audio sweetening & repair)
   Encore DVD CS3 (DVD and Flash authoring)
   Adobe Bridge CS3 (File browsing and preview)
   Adobe Device Central CS3 (Specs for mobile content development)
   Acrobat Connect (web conferencing)
   Dynamic Link (allows Encore and Premiere to import unrendered AE projects)

    As you can see from the list both bundles are intended to be full featured solutions that include editing, motion graphics, sound sweetening and content delivery. At $1300 the retail price of FCStudio is about $500 less than Production Studio, but the difference is mostly due to the fact that Production Premium contains more programs and more of them are industry standards.

   As standalone editing  applications go FCP and PP are pretty similar to each other. So the question becomes which bundle offers you the tools and flexibility to do the other work you may need to do in the course of your projects?

   Jerron

   Jerron Smith
   Editor-Animator-Educator
   blog: http://www.thepixelsmith.blogspot.com

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8. chrisColorado
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   I'd say, IF YOU KNOW PHOTOSHOP, then GET PREMIERE. They're both Adobe and if you know one adobe, it won't be too hard to learn another. Many graphics/print shops/motion graphics places that could give you a job are starting to use Adobe stuff. They do video editing type things and you can tell them you know Premiere which will integrate better with their Adobe programs.

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9. jerronsmith
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    >>I'd say, IF YOU KNOW PHOTOSHOP, then GET PREMIERE. They're both Adobe and if you know one adobe, it won't be too hard to learn another.<<

   While I would agree with what Chris says about the amount of integration between the two applications. Just as a warning about the only things that Photoshop and Premiere have in common is that both have a gray interface and a history panel (though Photoshop still calls them palettes), if anything Premiere has been made to resemble FCP more than the other programs in the Adobe line. Knowing Photoshop already won't make it any easier to learn Premiere, though it may help with learning AfterEffects. Still image editing and video editing are two completely different realms, with often very different sets of rules about how the media and the programs work.

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10. JoeLouw
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    Hi GuysThanks for ALL your help so far. I get the feeling that FCP would be a good choice, especially the fact that I'm getting a Mac.I juts want to know what would the benefits be if you can combine After-Effects with Premiere?
    The problem I have is, I have the opportunity to get a course on Premiere at a good price, where I can not get so much support of FCP (in South Africa). Now I figured from what I've been reading the past few days is if you know Premiere, you would pick up FCP easily, would it be a good decision to get a Premiere course and learn Premiere, and then once I'm familiar with Premiere go to FCP. (I feel at least I can then help my self if I'm stuck with FCP, as the support for Mac/FCP aren’t that great here in SA)
    What I'm saying is it will be a lot easier to get help/support with Premiere than with FCP in SA, as a matter the Premiere support will be free for me as with FCP it will cost me every time I need support.Thanks Joe Louw

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11. davidrichter
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    For my two cents, go with FCP.  I have worked on Premier, FCP and Avid and to me. Premier is more consumer (mini-DV) while FCP is more pro (HD) and Avid is more old school (Film).  Granted this is a rudimentary comparison.  However, when we have to capture hours and hours of HD or Red footage.  FCP is a breeze and I have always found Premier to be a headache.

     

    David
    Richter Studios 
    Chicago's Video Production, Interactive and Presentation Services Company

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12. jerronsmith
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    >>I juts want to know what would the benefits be if you can combine After-Effects with Premiere?<<

    After Effects is the industry standard (in the US anyway) application for the creation of broadcast graphics and as such many editors and Motion graphics artists use it for their graphics needs. Normally, when you generate graphics in a program you have to render out a intermediate copy (in high quality video format) for import into your NLE. Adobe has a tool that they call Dynamic Link, which basically allows Premiere to import and display un-rendered After Effects projects. This is the same way that Final Cut can use un-rendered LiveType or Motion projects on it's timeline. This isn't a new feature most software packages have a similar ability since it saves a lot of time on intermediate rendering, the only advantage of the Adobe solution is that it does it with After Effects projects.

    >>Premier is more consumer (mini-DV) while FCP is more pro (HD) and Avid is more old school (Film).<<

    They all can work with the most of the same general formats. All three can edit mini DV, HD (usually both the consumer HDV and pro standards) and Film (not directly the way you could on a steenbeck but via a digital copy). Out of the box I believe that FCP is the best at editing high def as both Premiere and AVID require hardware acceleration, if I am not mistaken.

    Re: Premiere and HD capture

    Every frame of the film Superman returns was captured in Premiere Pro.

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13. JoeLouw
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     I recently visited a friend that is using PP and another friend who is using FCP. I played around with both software packages for a few hours.  My conclusion was that FCP would be a good choice if you would like to get an easy-working, professional video editing software. My take on PP is that it is a liitle bit more difficult, but you have much more control and customisability. Also the fact that all the Adobe family of programs all comunicate well with each other.

    There is no doubt in my mind that there is a similarity between the two, which is great but my final take on the two software packages, after working a few hours on both would be that PP wins, just because of the vastness of the program. However, PP was on a PC.

    I would love to get more info on PP on a MAc platform?

    Joe Louw

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14. chrisColorado
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    Out of the box I believe that FCP is the best at editing high def as both Premiere and AVID require hardware acceleration, if I am not mistaken.

    Hmm. Seriously? I wanted to teach myself Premiere on my laptop and looks like I need more RAM. If you are right and hardware acceleration is definitely needed no matter who you are, then my esteem of Premiere is extremely low.

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15. Ryan3078
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    I would love to get more info on PP on a MAc platform?

    If you check out Adobe's site

    http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/

    You can see that PP works on both Mac and PC now that Macs use Intel processors.

    http://www.macworld.com/article/54672/2007/01/premanlysis.html

     Hmm. Seriously? I wanted to teach myself Premiere on my laptop and looks like I need more RAM. If you are right and hardware acceleration is definitely needed no matter who you are, then my esteem of Premiere is extremely low.

    I worked with Premiere Pro 1.5 on a 2001 Dell with 256MB RAM and 1.6Ghz Pentium 4 with no problems.  Keep in mind that PP is professional, and using an underpowered laptop with the latest in professional editing isn't going to work out well.

    Chris, if we use the metaphor that your laptop is an engine, and that PP is a car, then you are saying that you're upset that a Corvette doesn't run well with a VW beetle engine.

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16. TheDVshow
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    I think Avid is best!

    (just breaking the tension in here)

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17. JoeLouw
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    HI ALL

    Yes; that's your thought, great. But you can’t use Avid on Mac. We all know that Avid & FCP are the 2 software packages used by the big guys in the industry - simply because Avid is great on PC and FCP is great on Mac, but now with the return of PP CS3 to Mac it might be a different ball game. (Maybe the FCP users are just too afraid for PP CS3, I hope we can clear this up soon)

    PP CS3 you can use on Mac and PC, could everybody please put the WAR between Mac and PC aside for now and give us some good pointers on WHY everybody is so anti PP. And not things like "They returned to Mac after a 3 1/2 years absence because Mac now uses Intel chips, and they really let us down in the past".
    Maybe we can get some good pointers on WHY everybody feels FCP is better.

    It's a very sensitive discussion because I only here of people going from PC to Mac and don't look back.  But never do you here from Mac users going back to PC. (Sorry but my seeing is that the Avid & PP users (PC users) can't answer these questions as most of them have most likely not worked on FCP)
    
    The Mac & PC war will always go on forever, both are good in what they do best and I will always use PC and Mac forever. It just makes you think why Mac started to use Intel chips - because Intel is the BEST. Now; Mac has always been great.  The great just got better, but let’s leave that for now.

    Why is everybody so negative about PP, (ref to: http://www.macworld.com/article/54672/2007/01/premanlysis.html )
    I need to make my decision on FCP or PP for my Mac, but it's very difficult with everybody being so anti PP.
    I feel that PP is better because: You have good control over every thing you do.
    Example: when editing the sound, it is not like the sound bar in Pinnacle where you have to work very precise with your mouse, and 1st click a few times on the wrong spot where you don’t want to click.
    Also, I feel that when going into the Video effect section there are more to choose from then that in FCP.

    Also I'm a user of Photoshop since 5.0 and its one hell of a powerful package! Nobody came ever close to what Photoshop can do, that's my reason for looking differently at Adobe PP CS3.

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18. D0n
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    buy fce, and hold off buying the pro version till you've spent time with the "Light" versions.

    one reason I use fce to edit, is the integration with apples other programs, such as iLife and Aperture.

    I have found it really easy to have one mac running iMovie hd importing footage from my hdr-hc1, do a rough edit and save it to an ext hd.

    I have a second mac running iMovie '08 importing footage from a sony hdr sr12, do a rough edit and save it to an ext hd.

    I have a 3rd mac running aperture and photoshop.

    I'm able to sit down and open fce grab both video files, overlay them, sync them, cut out unwanted video segments and insert kenburns style photos into the project, print it to tape on the hc1 and send it off to Appletv, Idvd and Iweb for the client.

    How's that for integration? I come home from a wedding shoot, in the evening, set up some projects and let the imports go while I sleep. Automator and apple script shut down the macs when the video imoports are done. I use aperture so I'm able to do a rough edit and slideshow at the wedding. The next morning I'm sorting my video clips and photoshopping my photos and if everything goes as planned, I'm ordering prints, assemling albums and ordering books, burning dvd's and getting product to clients in well under three weeks.

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19. robgrauert
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     "I have found it really easy to have one mac running iMovie hd importing footage from my hdr-hc1, do a rough edit and save it to an ext hd.

     

    I have a second mac running iMovie '08 importing footage from a sony hdr sr12, do a rough edit and save it to an ext hd.

     

    I have a 3rd mac running aperture and photoshop."

    Haha, wow. How come you have so many Macs? I'm just curious. I love Apple too, but I dunno if I'd get that many computers. ahhh, what am I talkin about. I probably would if i had the money. Surely one of your macs could handle all the work you're doing with 3 though, right?

    Like I said though, I'm just curious. Not trying to bust your balls. 

     

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20. D0n
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     Because I have another person working with me. Because of the volume of work, and the need to get jobs done on deadlines.

    I also have 3 dslrs, 3 video cams, 3 sets of lights.

    I can't have one person editing photos and one editing video at the same time on one computer.

    I run a business. I make money. Time is money. having two computers crunching video, and one crunching photos, gets a wedding job done in days as opposed to weeks.  Then it's on to the next job.

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21. robgrauert
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     Oh that makes sense. I didn't know you had your own business. I thought you were a freelancer for some reason. That's sweet though. I wanna start a business when I get older too....

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22. JoeLouw
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    HI ALL

    Yes; that's your thought, great. But you can’t use Avid on Mac. We all know that Avid & FCP are the 2 software packages used by the big guys in the industry - simply because Avid is great on PC and FCP is great on Mac, but now with the return of PP CS3 to Mac it might be a different ball game. (Maybe the FCP users are just too afraid for PP CS3, I hope we can clear this up soon)

    PP CS3 you can use on Mac and PC, could everybody please put the WAR between Mac and PC aside for now and give us some good pointers on WHY everybody is so anti PP. And not things like "They returned to Mac after a 3 1/2 years absence because Mac now uses Intel chips, and they really let us down in the past".
    Maybe we can get some good pointers on WHY everybody feels FCP is better.

    It's a very sensitive discussion because I only here of people going from PC to Mac and don't look back.  But never do you here from Mac users going back to PC. (Sorry but my seeing is that the Avid & PP users (PC users) can't answer these questions as most of them have most likely not worked on FCP)
    
    The Mac & PC war will always go on forever, both are good in what they do best and I will always use PC and Mac forever. It just makes you think why Mac started to use Intel chips - because Intel is the BEST. Now; Mac has always been great.  The great just got better, but let’s leave that for now.

    Why is everybody so negative about PP, (ref to: http://www.macworld.com/article/54672/2007/01/premanlysis.html )
    I need to make my decision on FCP or PP for my Mac, but it's very difficult with everybody being so anti PP.
    I feel that PP is better because: You have good control over every thing you do.
    Example: when editing the sound, it is not like the sound bar in Pinnacle where you have to work very precise with your mouse, and 1st click a few times on the wrong spot where you don’t want to click.
    Also, I feel that when going into the Video effect section there are more to choose from then that in FCP.

    Also I'm a user of Photoshop since 5.0 and its one hell of a powerful package! Nobody came ever close to what Photoshop can do, that's my reason for looking differently at Adobe PP CS3.

    Lets leave the 3 Macs for another time to discuss and talk about that somewhere else PLEASE.

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23. D0n
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    long story short:

    I don't have time to waste hacking thing together. Wedding season is short and busy.

    I don't buy a "camera" I buy a "system" I make sure I get the best camera, lights, and computer I can to complete the task.

    one year I bought an emac (took out the 60 gig hd, and stuck in a 160, upped the ram to 1 gig), software, a dslr, and a set of portable strobes and backdrops. (at the time everything top of the line, at the time).

    another year an iMac g5 (maxed out everything, software upgrades etc), a dslr, a video cam, studio strobes)....

    another year Macbook (maxed out everything...7200 rpm hd) another video cam, video lights etc, more software.

    building a business takes time, effort and money. But planning is key to everything.

    next year, we'll be adding live vj'ing to our services.

    How can we answer your question without looking at how (our desicion to run final cut) we use the product?

    that's like asking if the enzo ferrarri is better than a kenworth truck, without exploring what you intend to do with your vehicle.... 

    I use final cut for two reasons:

    It works. (does the job it is needed for)

    It works well. (made by apple for apple, no guessing who to call/blame if it ever stops working for any reason). 

     

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24. robgrauert
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     Don,

     Sounds like you're life is pretty dialed.

    Joe LouW,

    I know this is off point from Premier Pro, but you said you can't use AVID on Mac, but you can use AVID on Mac. We have that program on our computers at school, along with FCP and PP. All 3 on all computers...for the video kids at least. Of course, no one bothers using AVID, but the point is you can still use it on Mac.

    Back to the point of the thread though...I don't see any reason why people would be anti PP. FCP and PP are very similar. People bring up all the other Adobe products working "better" with PP, but I've never had a problem using Photoshop and Illustrator alongside with FCP, and since it's been brought up, I'd like to know what the problems people have with Photosop/Illustrator and FCP. Honestly, I've never had a problem. 

    As far as a selection of effects, what effects are you looking for. It's not about which program has more effects to choose from, it's which program provides the effects you need.  In my experience, FCP has everything I need, but then again, we may have different styles of editing. I don't like to be all fancy with effects. I basically only dissolve, and do color correction where it's needed, and maybe a few other things. In my situation, FCP has more effects than I need. So think about what you need as opposed to which has "better" effects.

    Overall though, I think you'll be satisfied with both programs; they are very similar. In a thread that I read in the past, someone brought up a good point. They said people always argue for the program that they use, and it's because it's the first one they really got good at. Lets face it, no one likes change. So if I learn on FCP, I'm not going to like AVID. If I first learned with AVID, I won't like FCP. So the point is, you're going to like whatever you learn. AVID, FCP and PP I feel are all very good programs. I don't think one is really better than the other. 

     

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25. robgrauert
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     "AVID, FCP and PP I feel are all very good programs. I don't think one is really better than the other."

    I take that back. When it comes to FCP and PP, I think you get more for your money. AVID is expensive if you want all the bells and whistles.   

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26. Ryan3078
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    Overall though, I think you'll be satisfied with both programs; they are very similar. In a thread that I read in the past, someone brought up a good point. They said people always argue for the program that they use, and it's because it's the first one they really got good at. Lets face it, no one likes change. So if I learn on FCP, I'm not going to like AVID. If I first learned with AVID, I won't like FCP. So the point is, you're going to like whatever you learn. AVID, FCP and PP I feel are all very good programs. I don't think one is really better than the other.

    I agree with that :)  I started out on PC with PP, and then for school had to work with FCE on a Mac.  Personally since I am used to to PP that will obviously be what I recommend.  I'm not a big fan of FCE, although like all editing programs they do the same thing (edit!) just fine.  One big issue I have with FCE is that there is not scene capture.  For example, in PP using DV the program will automatically make a clip each time the timecode cuts when you turn your camera off, then turn it back on for your next scene.  In FCE it captured the whole tape as one very looooooong file, which I had to go back and review and edit, which was time consuming compared to what I was used to with PP.

    But again, you get what you pay for, and whether you choose FCP or PP, you'll have plenty of power to do whatever you want.

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27. jerronsmith
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    >>People bring up all the other Adobe products working "better" with PP, but I've never had a problem using Photoshop and Illustrator alongside with FCP, and since it's been brought up, I'd like to know what the problems people have with Photosop/Illustrator and FCP. Honestly, I've never had a problem<<

    Rob,

    I think that when most people say that the other programs from Adobe work better with PP they are talking about the support for Photoshop and Illustrator's native file formats (PSD and AI). I think that is all it has over FCP in integration. I know that FCP can import PSD files but I don't think it does that for AI. It can also import unrendered After Effects projects.

    I actively cut and teach with both PP and FCP. I think that while the logic behind some of the things they do is a bit different, they are pretty much very similar programs.

    There are certain areas where Premiere Pro is superior to Final Cut Pro and vice versa. Not even the guys on the Premiere Pro development team like to get pulled into a direct feature comparison with FCP because the programs are very similar in most regards. I believe that whichever you have it it less the tool and more about the person who uses it that determines whether a  project will come out well or not.

    I have used PP on both the MAC and Windows operating systems and from personal experience I believe that on the MAC side it was a bit unstable for me. It crashed about six times in a two day period, which the PC usually crashes once or twice during two days. But this is just personal and depends on the computers configuration.

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28. D0n
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     Here's an intersting experiment:

    google "adobe premier crashes" see how many hits you find.

    now google "final cut crashes" see how many hits you find.

    now we all know that apple has about 5-10 % of the market share of the pc's, so I'd guess that 5-10% of whatever number of hits you get for premier would be a fair expectation, if both platforms crash equally.....

    I got 354 hits for final cut and 420,000 for premier..... It seems that the numbers would indicate that premier crashes at over 100 to 1,  even if you factor market share into the equation....

    But math never was my best subject.... 

    lol 

     

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29. havalilsi
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    Had to weigh in on this thread.

    I've been using Premiere from 6.5 to PPCS CS2 and now CS3. I learned PP CS by watching a friend of mine while he was editing on a Mac, so I guess they are similar. As far as crashing, I usually crash once or twice a week, but I've seen another friend on mine crash enough times with FCP on his Mac also.

    My CS3 suite came with a tutorial DVD which is pretty good. And most of the tuts are actually done on Macs.

    There are alot of tuts out there for Adobe products, but you already know that since you're using Photoshop. Personally Photoshop was one of toughest programs I ever tried to learn.After watching my friend on FCP for 10 minutes, I was able to tackle Premiere Pro. In addition to the tuts I got with the CS3 bundle, I'm able to do pretty well.

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30. D0n
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     The problem with the whole pc/mac and final cut/premier arguments is this:

    Some people ask pros for advice on which is better, then get upset when the pros recommend and defend what they (the pros)already bought, instead of what they (the person asking the question) were planning to purchase. They see a good deal on something, and just want to be told they're right.

    People fail to recognize that pros are by and large using top of the line (at time of purchase) equipment.

    So a pro tells you that pc's don't crash any more often than macs. That is like asking Jeff Gordon how to drive. What car is best. Then taking what he tells you and going out on the streets in your beat up old Chevy. 

    Any off the shelf mac will run fce just fine with very few crashes (you'd have to load up a project with tonnes of clips/effects/filters etc to over tax the system to the point it crashes).

    the same can't be said for any off the shelf pc.

    You max out the ram on a mac, and as an off the shelf video editing station, your average project, and even most big ones, will not crash.

    Since I started learning video, and then added video to my wedding photography business, I have not had a single crash. I've had macs running video projects getting used 6-10hrs/day four or five days a week for four months straight, no down time. 

    scout these forums and do the math...how many people asking for help with thier pscs vs how many asking for help on the macs, then check what kind of help they're asking for...creative/production, or tech support. 

    Why final cut? because it was made by the people that made the hardware.. plain and simple. 

    But I already bought macs, and use finalcut express....so what would you expect me to say? 

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