Video on the Web Options are Many!

EarlC
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Video on the web? You've got a LOT of options out there for creating,
developing, hosting, uploading, announcing, monetizing, marketing your
videos. Check out "Video on the Web" at E.C. Come, E.C. Go and see what you can learn from these sites.

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JohnCrawford
Member

Great post, Earl. There is absolutely no excuse for not showing one's videos on the Internet these days seeing how many websites are available for doing so.

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zoobie
Member

They're all looking to cash-in on video, aren't they? I've been putting video on my sites before Youtube was even created...

I (and others) are still looking for software that pauses the upload to these video sharing sites...so that we can use our cheap dial-up connections

Want to make a small fortune in video production? It's simple...Start with a large fortune.

Another world's first - www.BuskerAlley.com - Busker HD on the web!

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EarlC
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Glad to hear from a true frontrunner of the video-on-the-web phenomena. Dial-up is dead. Oh there are those who HAVE to (somewhere in some wilderness and a few parts of Podunk, Texas) use dial-up still, others who insist upon using dial-up, but literally it is a thing of the past. Does BuskerAlley use dial-up? Just curious.

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tech-no-media
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There are indeed a lot of alternatives to upload video!

With so much choice available there is a video host for everybody. My personal favorites are Blip.tv and the new openfilm.com

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birdcat
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Also, with new formats like Flash and MP4, many websites can host their own video since the badwidth is so low due to smaller file sizes.

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jerronsmith
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>>Dial-up is dead<<

Before anyone gets ahead of themselves please keep in mind that only a bit over half of US homes have highspeed connections. The last numbers I saw said about 57% actually.

Jerron Smith
Editor-Animator-Educator
blog: www.thepixelsmith.blogspot.com

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EarlC
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While a lot of people still ride horses, you don't see many on the freeway :-) as they're no longer a feasible mode of daily transportation to and from...

...where ever.

Dead to today's capabilities regarding bandwidth and viewing such elements as web video in a screen larger than a commemorative postage stamp and Flash, without downloading. While dial-up may be practical for basic e-mailing of messages and absolutely essential in areas where there is no choice, it is no longer an option for anyone wanting to access something over the internet at a pace faster than snail mail.

"Dead" doesn't necessarily mean gone, just no longer effective for today's bandwidth-hungry web content.

WHEN, may I ask, did you see the "last numbers" and what source?

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jerronsmith
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http://www.pewinternet.org/

Pew Internet usually has good research on the integration of american society and technology.

A couple of other articles I thought were cool:

http://www.marketingvox.com/55-of-us-adults-have-home-broadband-but-10-use-only-dialup-039691/

http://articlet.com/article791.html

The problem with the two articles is that they don't list their sources very well.

>>While dial-up may be practical for basic e-mailing of messages and
absolutely essential in areas where there is no choice, it is no longer
an option for anyone wanting to access something over the internet at a
pace faster than snail mail."Dead" doesn't necessarily mean gone, just no longer effective for today's bandwidth-hungry web content.<<

There are also people who don't upgrade to a higher speed connection due to the increased price. There are serious debates amongst developers about this subject. Most of them will tell you that bandwidth hungry sites are a problem. A constant struggle is to always create content that is optimized as much as possible. There are developers who will tell you that you shouldn't use technologies like Flash and Silverlight at all because they are so bandwidth hungry, and should instead use technologies like html/css/javascript to create web content. With teh exceptin of true streaming content (which a swf is not) everything has to download to your computer before it can play. Even with high speed connections flash and video can still take a whie to download and play depending on how well it was optimized. I believe it is one of the factors that is pushing development of internet connected content back onto the desktop. Technologies like Adobe AIR, JAVA and Microsoft WPF allow people to create content that can be installed onto a computer and then access the internet to download or update content, thus providing a more optimized experience with less emphasis on connection speed. There are those who feel that the traditional internet browser has a limited lifespan due to the ease of creating Rich Interactive Applications for the desktop

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zoobie
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The only thing "dead" are their braincells from paying outrageous high-speed prices... This is why President Obama wants to get the high-speed costs down to dial-up prices.

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EarlC
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The original intent of this post was to point out a source for information regarding the boatload of web video options "out there" and hopefull provide some folks a few options to check out regarding their plan for displaying or sharing video or clips - perhaps in the interest of marketing video related services and making money with or without Obamaosophy attached.

If you guys, or gals (whatever the case may be) want to debate the economic, philosophical or technical differences between high-speed and dial-up connectivity, or the shear money-making genious of seeking or advertising "jobs" on Craig's List, there would be the OPTION of starting a thread of your own specifically focused on one or more of the OT comments here.

Keep a few of the posts here focused, OK?

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webvideos
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Well.....we make a living out of video on the web. Not only that....you can specialise. Come see us @

web video production

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EarlC
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Cork, your vimeo wedding video is taking an unbearably long time to download. In fact, it has been well past the minute mark and closing on the 2-minute mark (oops, just passed that as well) and STILL has not gotten past the spinning rounded-edge triangles on the screen. So, yes, I am assuming this is the same clip you posted elsewhere under "wedding video" seeking comments/critique. That is double-posting and I am removing it from this thread. Sorry, Earl.

By the way, it has now been MORE than four minutes and no joy - WAYYYYYYYY too long for anyone to be willing to wait to see a clip from ANY upload site. What is this, a full length wedding?

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raja3
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its a good post and very useful to all

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EarlC
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Thanks, Raja3. Share more about yourself with all the Videomaker Forum folks. There are lots of threads that might encourage you to share your interests, experience and focus with us.

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JohnCrawford
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I just uploaded a hi-def AVCHD file to www.Motionbox.com and it played beautifully when I embedded it's URL on my website.

They actually do the codec compression for you so we don't have to worry about that anymore!

Plus, for $30/year you get unlimited storage capacity.

Any comments?

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NathanBlair
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Hey there,

I'm really enjoying the topics on this forum, and I'm glad to have found it!

I have to say, that I don't know where I would be right now without web video! Currently, I've found myself sort of in the position of the "scum sucking bottom feeder" as described in the blog article posted by EarlC. Since I've just graduated from Film School last year, I've been struggling to make a living and meanwhile develop my skills as a film/video professional, and I've found small videos such as web videos to be, in a sense, my savior! Not to say that it's right to assume that web videos should require a lower production quality. From my experience so far, though, clients that seek business with me expect their videos to be simple productions, and are seeking a person who can do it on a shoe-string budget. Here's my site, if interested: www.shoeboxstory.com

Many of the videos I produce are done directly between the client and I on a personal basis. However I am also involved in some of these other businesses who are capitalizing off of people who are in my same situation. The first is Howcast.com, with their Emerging Filmmaker program. Another is Demandstudios.com. They pay EXTREMELY cheap prices for videos that offer 0 creative freedom... but then again, it's just a little more extra cash at the end of the month that makes my rent.

--
Nathan D. Blair
Video/Film Production Services

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videofiend138
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I agree that video on the web is a great thing and it is moving at a very rapid spee. I recently started encoding videos and have ran into some issues (mainly because of clients request). Most of the time I shoot in HD 1440x1080 pixel aspect ratio 1.33. And I'm requiered to shrink the file size down, lets say 640x480 pixel aspect ratio 1.0. What clients sometimes dont understand is that just because the file was shot in HD doesn't mean your compress file is going to have the same quality. They request small bit rates and most of the viewers dont have the latest version of player.

I know this is a bit off your post Earl...but I just felt like venting. In any case, I checked out some of the websites that are out there. Thanks for the post EarlC!!

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JohnCrawford
Member

Actually, you don't have to embed anything but can just copy and paste the motionbox page URL on which your videos are showing as I am doing here:

http://www.motionbox.com/filings?folder_id=66237967

The great thing about motionbox is that they compress and convert your video files for you and then play them back in both standard mode and the same Hi-def as the original files you sent them.

One other thing. It costs $40 per year, not 30, but for $40 you get UNLIMITED STORAGE CAPACITY!

Now that motionbox is making it real easy to upload Hi-def video files there is no reason on earth why every seller of real estate should not have gorgeous videos of their property showing on www.TheRealEstateVideoShow.com

(smile)

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Cville
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Below is text directly from the motion box website that state no real estate videos.

The following content is NOT permitted on Basic or Premium accounts:
o Advertisements or infomercials for any commercial venture or product
o Real estate videos and tours
o Video promoting any for-profit business
o Videos that display your companyâ??s logo as a watermark or website address of a commercial site
o Videos embedded on advertising-supported websites

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JohnCrawford
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Thanks much for the alert, Cville. I should have known that $40/yearÂ was too good to be true.

In an addendum under the house rules though, Motionbox invites us to inquire about their Professional hosting services so I sent them an email and will keep you informed of their response.

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EarlC
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Just as this initial thread focuses on the MANY options for web video hosting, why fight one that is less than optimum, or downright WRONG for your particular specific intent and purpose?

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JohnCrawford
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EarlCwrote: "Just as this initial thread focuses on the MANY options for web video hosting, why fight one that is less than optimum, or downright WRONG for your particular specific intent and purpose?"

The July issue of Videomaker featured an excellent article by Andrew Burke on Online Sharing Sites in which YouTube, Vimeo and Motionbox were highly recommended. In searching for the optimum solution to my specific needs and purpose I am open to investigating and exploring all suggestions and recommendations. As an alternative to converting my original AVCHD files to either .wmv or flash files before I upload them to my current webhosting service I find the services offered by Motionbox appealing because it is done for me and quickly plays the videos back in gorgeous Hi-def as soon as they are clicked on.

Now that I find that Motionbox, like Vimeo, does not allow for the showing of commercial interests like real estate videos at their "premium" rate, I am waiting for their response to my inquiry about their professional hosting services. In the meantime, I will be only too happy to consider other solutions to my specific needs and purpose because it will benefit all videomakers who want to post links to their real estate videos on my real estate website.

I appreciate this opportunity to discuss my video needs and now that I think of it, will post a link to these forums in the discussion forum on my Videographer's Board.

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JohnCrawford
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Great News! Motionbox allows commercial usage including real estate videos with their Professional Business Hosting Service. Hey, they need to make money just like the rest of us.

Equally good news is that besides a basic $10 monthly fee they only charge 25 cents per 1 Gigabyte of playback content delivered to viewers. I've uploaded about 20 videos so far amounting to 20 minutes of video in about 1G of storage. It will cost me 25 cents if you view all 20 videos, even in Hi-def.

Anyway, Motionbox is only one solution for videomakers who upload to the Web and not necessarily the best choice for you, but the ease and convenience made possible by the complete bypassing of file conversion (including AVCHD) makes Motionbox a winning solution for me for the time being and should meet the needs of a many a videomaker no matter their favorite subject matter.

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wayonda
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Yes Many option for video on the web. Now the primary option is to try and monetize the effort with advertising but I believe some additional opportunites will surface shortly.

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MazdaMan
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Thanks earl for such inspirational writing I just read through several of the posts including "Video on the Web". In there you mentioned Digg as a marketing tool. Digg is very powerful with search engine ranks in google. Once a page or video has a Digg entry attached to it and 2 or 3 people "Digg It" the content or the digg entry attached to it almost instantly shows up in a top 5 search rank on google. I've had mixed results with other search engines though.

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